Talk:What the Babe!
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What the fucking stalker
if i was a girl, and a bounch of sweat stinking geeks would collect images of my for jerking off after the camp, i woudnt tht camp too. Did you never thought about "why are there so few girls?"
Well..here is i cute one..hope you dick loves it..
(obscene image from Enno's porn collection moved to a link)
-- User:Enno
- Relax, Enno. Even though I concur partially with you, this is degrading for girls that didn't choose for this. Makes the article in Algemeen Dagblad sound more plausible
- -- DWizzy 9 August 2005 17:49 (CEST)
Relax, DWizzy. It's not Enno's writing that's degrading for us. Not at all. Or let me speak for myself: your comments and 'moderations' are far more successfull in their attempt to be degrading and confirming AD's suggestions.
Cima 9 August 2005 20:55 (CEST)
- >Relax, DWizzy. It's not Enno's writing that's degrading for us. Not at all.
- You relax, Cima, little chance you'll and up in the What the Babe! list. Let me rephrase what I said just for you, okay? I ment the What the Babe! being degrading, not Enno's comments.
- >Or let me speak for myself: your comments and 'moderations' are far more successfull in their attempt to be degrading and confirming AD's suggestions.
- Please, do elaborate.
- -- DWizzy 10 August 2005 13:58 (CEST)
IMHO is this whole discussion a blow-up. There were quite some women at WTH and most of them have contributed a lot, so that WTH could take place. Women at WTH volunteered from tentbuilding, reporting, handling the conference planning, cleaning, bar and many other things together with the guys at WTH. They held lectures on quantum cryptography, hacker sociology, Linux in Iraq and have done other high profile presentations. They were actively networking and participating in projects. That's the way it's supposed to be - that's how a community event works. The interest in investing your freetime in this work is based on an in-depth interest in the field of hacking. In short, they were doing exactly the same as any male participant at WTH, including having a great and fun time.
I have not seen any disrespect or discrimination towards women at WTH, except for the ridiculous article in the Algemeen Dagblad, but then again that was an external and commercial view of that medium and there was protest from women and men at WTH and solidarity with the women that got abused for the sexist article by the yellow press. When I heared guys discuss which are the hot babes at WTH already during WTH, I thought it was nothing special, except for the fact that they seemed to be impressed by the self-confidence on how these women are fluent with technical and general hacking issues. So? Of course they additionally see the woman and find her additionally sexy or not, but trying to talk this aspect away is like talking away the tides of the sea. Forget it. Women know it and can deal with it - mostly by ignoring the ones that drool the most. Be your own security ;o) Coming up with protectionism and decorative male feminism is a nice gesture, but in the end I think that especially the women at WTH do have a pretty healthy selfprotection system and are smart enough to cope with it. Btw, so far I've only seen guys discuss this issue, which made me grin a little bit ;)
As far as I can see, participants at WhatTheHack know very well why they participate and what they do. This is also valid for Katja, who stripped for the computergame. I assume she's smart enough to know that webcams can be recorded and smart enough to know that her tits are going to flood the geek-pages. That's fine. That's her choice. You gotta know your own boundries and I have the impression she does - in case she feels uncomfortable with the hype, she can speak for herself. Guys emphazising the sexual component of women at a hacking conference appear in a rather small number - if someone finds it necessary to judge these things, one possible interpretation is, that this small number is in actual fact a compliment for the community's dealing with gender issues. *dances a twist*
This page is some sort of a indymedia project and I've hoped that the participants would share their expertise here, discuss lectures and projects, but I'm cool about respecting that this is the way the community wants to present itself and its common knowledge pool. Everyone is recovering from the event and I think there will be some informative input in the upcoming weeks. The only moderation I did, was setting the "urge"-article with katjas priceless-pic back, after it was bumping the thread of latest articles the third time. That is, because I consider the method of bumping threads a bad style in terms of netiquette. Feel free to correct me, if i'm wrong ;o)
So, what projects were you involved in at WTH? What lectures have you seen and what's your view on it? Share at Write an article! :o)
cheerio, Bine 10 August 2005 15:26 (CEST)
