Talk:Cabling

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Tools

How about the tools we might need? cat5 crimping tool, a spade etc. should we bring some along or will it all be there? - Thali

Spade won't be used anyway, but I think there will be enough crimping tools avalible. - Attilla

Could you please somehow make sure? --Juerd 11:44, 3 Jul 2005 (CEST)

I will. :) - Attilla

Afzetlint

How about red/white afzetlint for no-go areas, like the road on the north of the A fields? If I understood things correctly, cables would go there unburried.

Juerd 18:38, 3 Jul 2005 (CEST)

afze-what?

Gramels 18:51, 3 Jul 2005 (CEST)

I have no idea what the English word for it is :) I was hoping someone would translate it before anyone responded...

Juerd 18:58, 3 Jul 2005 (CEST)

Think of it as police tape they use to mark no-go areas.

CraHan 20:10, 3 Jul 2005 (CEST)

I think the (american) term would be barricade tape or {crime,fire,...} scene tape. Substitute ribbon for tape if you like that better.

Bounce 21:41, 3 Jul 2005 (CEST)

The cables won't go over that road, the distance it would take would be too long. It will just go over the fields. Take a look at the pdf I just put on the wiki.

Attilla 20:34, 3 Jul 2005 (CEST)

Oh, right. I kind of assumed that was an abstract view, using straight lines only for clarity. But straight lines of cables are a fun idea. It's not only using less cable, it also makes our work much easier. Thanks for the info.

Juerd 00:36, 4 Jul 2005 (CEST)

It will not be all straight lines ofcourse, A few turns here and there. But it needs to be a little straigth, because of the distance.

Attilla 01,09 4 Jul 2005 (CEST)

Subteams?

Why is the team divided in two? I think such detailed pre-organization is counter productive, and in this case bordering on silliness, especially with the split made so arbitrarily. Also, the power subteam is left without coordination in the current setup.

Juerd 00:54, 4 Jul 2005 (CEST)

Power coordinating on the field will be done by Timo.

There are no special skills needed for network cabling, so I just closed my eyes and picked some. Except Chantal, because in all fareness, you won't let a woman lift heavy power cables and she is just to sweet. ;-)

We only need 4 or 5 people for network cabling. And if you have a better idea please tell me. Else just let 4 people do the work and the rest just watches, because there isn't anything to be done.

Attilla 01:04, 4 Jul 2005 (CEST)

The point is that although there will indeed be more people needed for power cables than for networking (which you shouldn't underestimate, especially if trunks of multiple UTPs are used), I think that'll all come natural on site.

As for my subteam: what I can do is determined by when I arrive and how my arms, wrists and hands are at that time. And I don't think what you said about no skills being required for UTP is true. No skills are required for any cable, but some skills are in fact required to crimp an RJ45. Not that this is a major problem of any kind, of course, because I am convinced that as things will need to be done, they will be done.

People won't be a problem. They're flexible. Supplies, tools and pre-investigation are things that need advance organization.

Juerd 01:25, 4 Jul 2005 (CEST)

Guys, I hate to be moved around without prior discussion. If you want people to volunteer, than communicate with them and don't put them in subteams in an early stage without any obvious reason. I think this could have been coordinated bilateral on site. If this is the attitude of the coordinaters in generell I will probably not be available.

--Gramels 07:30, 4 Jul 2005 (CEST)

No problem for me, network, power, whatever. In all fairness I'm happy I can help ;)

--CraHan 08:31, 4 Jul 2005 (CEST)

Same for me, I don't really mind, though I think it's very sweet to be protective of this little girl ;)

--Flar 12:14, 4 jul 2005 (CEST)

Gramels, we've got a list with people who volunteered for whatthehack and were put in the cabling team. The cabling team does both power cabling and network cabling. I'd like to have 3 teams of two persons for network cabling, because more people won't work, it would just be counter productive.

Indeed you're right, maybe i should have communicated it. But for some reason (haven't seen a good one yet) network cable is more fun to see then powercable. So if i asked everyone, what they liked more we would have the same situation with to much people for network cabling.

And this had nothing to do with "the attitude of the coordinators", the cabling team just has to be seperated in smaller groups. And i think this is the kind of disicions a coordinator should make. But of course What the hack is about doing everything together and I don't want to play anyone's boss or anything, so if someone has a another perfect idea then we can go like that.

Attilla 12:25, 4 Jul 2005 (CEST) (spelling corrected by Flar at 12:33)

One remark though, wouldn't it be useful to have a coordinator in each group instead of 2 coordinators in the network group? Just in case we run into a problem, it would be handy to have a 'powercable' coordinator.

CraHan 14:21, 4 Jul 2005 (CEST)

Timo will be coordinating everything about power, also the volunteers for the cabling.

Attilla 15:19, 4 Jul 2005 (CEST)

back from holiday... have to agree with the people on the division in groups.. but on the event it might be more productive to one or the other.. but not both.. as a volunteer ofcourse.. you'll be fully able to choose which one you want.. since you can always deny helping. else it wouldn't be volunteering..

having said that.. we need people on both 'teams' that is.. we there is no network without power.. and what use is power without network..

but if you have real problems with doing a certain job... like you really dislike UTP, or can't tell a RJ45 from a RJ12(mainly used for anologue telephones, difference is 4 vs 8 pins). or you think power cables will be to heavy for you.. you can just change your team on the wiki.. switching on the event is less pleasant due to planning (although imho not impossible)

do keep in mind.. we need people on both :)

Sebastian 22:44, 13 Jul 2005 (CEST)

Little detail: RJ12 is 6 pins, RJ45 is 8 and RJ11 is 4 and mainly used for telecom stuff. (Unless you upgraded your telecom to VOIP)

BugBlue 22:51, 13 Jul 2005 (CEST)

hmm, really thought rj12 was 4pins.. but what the hell do I know.. don't own any analogue phone stuff.. I know rj45 though.. which is good enough :)

Sebastian 23:03, 13 Jul 2005 (CEST)

Time for some useless details: RJ11, RJ12, and RJ14 all use the exact same connector form factor. This is the plastic connector with up to six leads commonly found in telephone sets, altough not all leads may have conductors. They are differentiated through their use: the two center leads are the only ones used in RJ11, RJ12 adds one more pair `embracing' them, and RJ14 has all the six leads in three pairs (1+6, 2+5, and 3+4). Bounce 14 July 2005 00:01 (CEST)

Ok, splitting teams was a bad idea. We will all sort it out when everyone arrives on the field.

But I did make a planning, check it out on the wiki.

Attilla 7:19, 22 Jul 2005 (CEST)

Congrats! Why don't you do a daily coordination meeting, like "meet all at 1100 there, grab a coffee, explain jobs and dispatch work..." --Gramels 22 July 2005 08:09 (CEST)